Strength Renewed

Mikki Wiiliden (00:00.46)
your problems absolutely are unique to you. Well, it's not that they're not. Hi Jess. Yeah, yeah.

Jess (00:06.903)
I know we all feel a little bit like we're our own. Today we're talking about what it means to be a unicorn.

Mikki Wiiliden (00:13.184)
Yeah, I know. And so many of us have unicorns, but first we'll talk about my haircut, as I mentioned to you. Yeah, yeah.

Jess (00:19.677)
Yes, let's definitely talk about your haircut, please. Okay, so tell our crew what just happened to you today.

Mikki Wiiliden (00:25.792)
I know. So I don't get my hair cut often and because I just like, I'm lazy actually. And when I do get my hair cut, I don't love it that they straighten it because I never wear it straight. And I had a straight face, like, you know, I spent two years getting keratin treatment thinking, yeah, straight hair is the way to go. But, you know, I've grown out of that and I really appreciate my curls. Yet I go to the hairdresser, she's lovely. She cuts too much off and then she's like, can we just straighten it please? I really want to see how it's sitting. And I'm like,

Jess (00:28.875)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (00:33.079)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (00:38.167)
Thank

Mikki Wiiliden (00:54.912)
I never wear it straight. She's, shall we just, we'll just do it. And I'm like, okay. And I said to her, this is the one and only time my hair will be straight, is when I leave the salon. And then sure enough, she cuts too much off. She straightens my hair. I get Ali McVeal vibes. And I'm like, and it's gonna be shorter when it's not straight because this is my.

Jess (01:16.279)
I would like you to all, for those of you that are younger than 30 that are listening today, would like you to Google Ali McBeal and you will laugh.

Mikki Wiiliden (01:23.393)
Do you think that we've got an audience younger than 30?

Jess (01:26.933)
I mean, probably not the majority, but there are gonna be some. I think we're pretty amazing to all of the people. So yeah, they're gonna jump on and wanna hear our fuckin' stories about our hair, cause that's part of the problem.

Mikki Wiiliden (01:30.028)
They may well be. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (01:37.675)
Our older lady wisdom. Our older lady. And so maybe it's just me not being.

Jess (01:42.391)
I mean, who has not gone? I don't care how old you are, who has not gone? And fortunately, I love my stylist. And so we don't have this issue. In fact, she probably makes fun of me because I'm like, can you please cut this much off, like a fingernail? I'm like, just keep it long and just cut a little bit. She's like, okay. mean, I'm like the stupidest, easiest person. She cuts, but who hasn't gone in and asked for what they thought they were getting and then walked away being like, my God, this is not at all what I.

Mikki Wiiliden (01:55.147)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jess (02:12.191)
was looking for. It says everybody, no matter what age they are, that's like a, that's a universal belief about going to your stylist, right?

Mikki Wiiliden (02:12.322)
I know, I know.

Mikki Wiiliden (02:17.742)
It is. Yeah, I know. And how much do you get charged for the plethora? Actually, how much does it cost you to get your hair cut?

Jess (02:26.391)
Oh my gosh. Well, I mean, think mine is probably a deal and that it's like 125 because I don't get any color. But if, mean, God, if I got color, could, mean, not only are you spending like a day there, but that could be upwards of like $400. For color and a cup.

Mikki Wiiliden (02:43.566)
That's a lot. It cost me 95. And it is what it is, right? Although, the last time I got my haircut was in the UK, and she was this lovely girl in this Hitchin hairdressing salon. And she was like 22. And she charged me like 20 pound. And I'm like, that is a good price.

Jess (02:50.432)
I mean.

Jess (02:55.627)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (03:08.149)
and 20 pounds of B.

Mikki Wiiliden (03:09.902)
40 New Zealand, 40 New Zealand dollars. So like, yeah, exactly Google that shit, Jess. I'm not some sort of like currency calculator.

Jess (03:11.351)
Google it, Jess.

I love you for that. Mickey always gets on my fucking case because I have to Google ships. Sometimes I just want to ask me. I like to ask questions. I like to actually ask you questions. It's

Mikki Wiiliden (03:25.9)
I know, whereas I like to know, I like to just, I'm like, I'll just Google that, because, you know, I don't know.

Jess (03:32.267)
Google's a little bit like chat GBT or like AI. like sort of gives you like the answer you're looking for, but nothing quite like the source.

Mikki Wiiliden (03:35.276)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (03:42.258)
yeah, no, it's so true. Although, albeit, because we've had this conversation, so we won't labor the point, but if you're asking someone something you could Google yourself, knowing that they'll probably have to Google it in order to tell you what the answer is, Google that shit. Anyway, I was having a...

Jess (03:46.476)
Yeah.

Jess (03:51.479)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (03:58.401)
I mean, of story, that is it, because we all know we've all been there, right? But I do, it is amazing. It's amazing how quick that could be for people, and it's also amazing how little people want to actually read or dig deeper into why they're not looking in the first place. Also, just read. Read a few sentences. You'd be surprised what you'll find if you just pause and finish the paragraph, right?

Mikki Wiiliden (04:03.45)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (04:26.516)
100%.

Jess (04:27.103)
I think your hair looks great, PS. I definitely love it, like Mickey run-blown look where you just like, you know, get back from a run. But I also kind of think it's very cute, straight, fur change. And your hair looks very thick and healthy and not falling out. Not that it would, but I'm feeling sensitive about that because I think I'm just low on all the things that I need to be eating to like keep my hair looking fresh.

Mikki Wiiliden (04:34.606)
Hahaha!

Mikki Wiiliden (04:52.184)
Well, yes, well, it was interesting, because I think your hair's lovely and so lovely and long. And I think a few things. One, yes, you need to get your iron checked. Any woman out there who hasn't had their iron checked lately, who is still menstruating and who is losing their hair, or not maybe losing their hair, but noticing extra, yeah, yeah, get your iron checked. I mean, there's a lot of things to get checked, but get your iron checked.

Jess (05:01.163)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (05:11.485)
Yeah, but just feels not quite as full, you know, and that's how it's been feeling. Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (05:19.202)
And second of all, it's not uncommon this time of year. And I wonder if it's a shift in season. Like, cause that's one of the reasons why I got my hair cut. I was like, I keep noticing it. Like, I'm more of it ending up in the drain. I'm like, I need to actually have a refresh. Need to get rid of a bit of it. And maybe that's probably what you need is bit of a refresh. And it's very common. Like I was having a conversation with someone else who has luscious locks, just like yours. And she is a blonde beauty and she's like, my hair, this perimenopause thing.

Jess (05:43.338)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (05:48.554)
So, you know, and she's your neck of the woods.

Jess (05:52.183)
So maybe I, so maybe, we always like to perhaps invite you all in and to maybe it's not just like your hormones, thyroid or something, maybe it's just as simple as going to get a cut and maybe just ask that, you know, that they don't cut too much off. And that they don't straighten it. Sometimes just like, you know, like a little visit.

Mikki Wiiliden (06:14.414)
and they don't straighten it and give you the 90s vibes.

Jess (06:20.699)
and just a refresh will feel good. So you'll see me next week. I'll go I'll make an appointment. Actually, in my case, I'll probably make an appointment and have to wait a couple months. But but I should at least make the appointment, but it'll get done. And and maybe you're right. I'll I'll I'll feel better because there is something that feels not great about that. I I was I was thinking about

Mikki Wiiliden (06:22.177)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (06:29.578)
Yeah, but it'll be done.

Mikki Wiiliden (06:37.899)
Now I know.

Jess (06:42.987)
Well, first, you're right, our conversations always, they actually did start with hair. And you're like, look at my Ally McBeal hair. And then I was like, look at my hair, like not hair. but I, but really I had this epiphany and I thought that it was appropriate to talk about it. But I love to think about personality types in two categories. One are the yes people, like kind of like, yeah, let's do it. And then, and I should say they're yes and they follow through and they figure it out.

Mikki Wiiliden (06:50.83)
you

Mikki Wiiliden (07:05.528)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (07:12.567)
I'm not talking about the yes and the flaky people. I'm talking about the yes like, yeah, yes, like, want, that sounds great. I'm gonna figure out a way to do it versus like the people who are like no, and they're saying no because in that moment they can't figure it out. And I just thought that was kind of interesting because I think that comes up a lot in just how we operate, just even in like our health, like what we're resistant to.

Mikki Wiiliden (07:12.95)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (07:30.456)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (07:41.185)
Yeah.

Jess (07:41.323)
And I think sometimes you can fall in those two categories. I think if you're more of a guest person, we'll figure it out. You're going to be more receptive to like, tell me about a nutrition plan or tell me about a workout or just tell me about maybe kind of some kind of thing that you're wondering about. And I think it's important to like kind of examine what kind of person you are. I know I'm keeping it really simple, but McKeen, actually like to keep things like, there's so much information overload. We like to talk about things like.

I think in like the least amount of stuff, just kind of word like the unfiltered version of that. But do you kind of know what I'm saying? You know, when you when you think about it that way?

Mikki Wiiliden (08:19.97)
do, I do, and I will clarify, you like to keep it simple, I like to complicate things, which is fine, which is why we're good. Why this is good. that's true, and then where I'm like, no Jess, this is what it is. I know you're right, it is, it is a reversal. But what, so no, you explain that really well, and it's the difference between a growth and a fixed mindset, I think.

Jess (08:27.159)
Well, in some ways, right? In some ways, maybe emotionally, I like to complicate things, you know?

Hahaha.

Mikki Wiiliden (08:46.252)
I think this is what we can apply it to. And it absolutely applies to diet and exercise. So for example, anyone jumping on my Monday's matter plan for the very first time has to have a growth mindset because they are doing things differently from how they've done them in the past. And you have to be prepared in anything that you do to not be an expert from the get go. Like be prepared to fail a little bit, but then learn from it. Whereas people with a fixed mindset will look at the plan

Jess (08:54.551)
Mm-hmm.

Jess (09:08.977)
Mm. Totally.

Mikki Wiiliden (09:15.212)
And then I'll get an email 24 to 48 hours going, I looked at the plan, it's not for me. And like, you came to me as a 48 year old perimenopausal woman, you've got three kids, you've got a career, you've got a husband, you've got these relationship complexities in your life. You wanna lose weight to feel good and you're saying this plan isn't for you. I think that's saying more about your mindset, your fixed mindset rather than you're seeing an opportunity for actual change. And so.

Jess (09:25.057)
Hmm.

Jess (09:31.127)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (09:43.682)
that just sort of popped into my head because I don't get many of them, but I know immediately when I see that from someone that they just do not have it in them to take that step. And no judgment, you know, like.

Jess (09:54.551)
So what do you say to that person to encourage? Because obviously we're not going to go from a fixed versus a, what's the episode that I've been, abundant, what was the growth, right? So what's your response? What do you say to the period menopausal 48 year old who's like wants to lose weight and is feeling uncomfortable just kind of as things are, not only just in weight loss, but just in everything, just feels off.

Mikki Wiiliden (10:05.454)
Growth, growth, yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (10:23.853)
Mmm.

Jess (10:24.201)
and is busy and looks at the plan and says, it's just not for me. What's your response to that?

Mikki Wiiliden (10:29.294)
Honestly, it depends on my mood. Sometimes, so sometimes I'm like, yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah. So basically I'm like, I forward it to Cam and I'm like, Cam, here you go. Because he's the one that deals with those things and then he will sort it out for that. Or sometimes if I have had coms with this person and I can feel that it's, they're wobbly, but they're not fixed, then I go in and go, well, hey, look, here are a couple of different options for you to.

Jess (10:31.223)
Did you have a Coca-Cola and a run?

Mikki Wiiliden (10:57.698)
Dip your toes in to see how you go. And the plan has those options anyway. But sometimes, Jess, it's actually, I'm just gonna say it, not worth my effort. Because if I have to coach this one person in a group of 500, and I'm constantly, I'm like, it is not worth it to me. Like, you need convincing, this is not my job. You don't need me to convince you. There are several thousand people who have successfully done this program, and you need to buy into it. It's not my job to...

And it really does. And that's a little bit of my, I'm just like, have reached that point where it's not like I don't want to help them, but it's like, I don't think that you can. Like I don't have the time to coach one individual to do that. Does that sound harsh? Might have.

Jess (11:42.591)
No, I don't think that it's harsh. I always like to think about it like a little differently in that, you know, yeah, we don't have time to do just a bunch of one-offs. Like you either kind of have to be open enough to try it. And if you've tried it and, you know, I always say, I'm not the right fit for you, this isn't the right person, then I'm free to let you fly and go do what it is that you need to do. So try it. I always think that's like a really, I always like to also think.

What are some questions that we can, you know, in those moments, like we can just ask ourselves that that particular client, me, you, like when I'm finding myself just going, you know what I mean? Into a certain area. What, what am I, what, what am I, how am I talking to myself? What, what is the communication? What am I, you know, how do I kind of get myself out of that fixed place and quite frankly, more into that growth place? Cause I'm, I'm, we're all newsflash.

Mikki Wiiliden (12:21.453)
Mmm.

Jess (12:40.577)
happier when we're not stuck in fixed places and you should know that Mickey night we were chatting, know, you and I were chatting earlier and we were both chatting about like, you know schedules right like and how we like to Engage and you were you even saying like my god looking at my if I look at like, know Both of our Google calendars. I am used to seeing like a lot on a day for you You're like, hell no, like if I see that much on my day, I'm

Mikki Wiiliden (12:52.846)
Mmm.

Jess (13:07.935)
lose my mind, right? So it's kind of also important to note what works for you, but also why does this have this kind of effect on me and what is that saying about me? How can I kind of deep dive? Just the questions we ask ourselves. I'm kind of here for, I like to question myself a little bit more.

Mikki Wiiliden (13:09.195)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (13:25.644)
No, I ain't.

No, no, I love it. And to that earlier point that you and I were talking about, you don't need me on your schedule to know that you can reach out to me. And I think that's the thing. We've got people in our lives that it doesn't matter if I've got, I only have a few friend engagements every week, but if I have more, and it doesn't matter who it is, I do start to feel overwhelmed. However, it doesn't mean that...

Jess (13:34.135)
Mm.

Jess (13:38.391)
Yes, for sure. Right.

Jess (13:44.767)
Hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (13:58.082)
that I'm not there for you if you need me. It just means that I'm definitely in your calendar on this particular date and otherwise let's touch base. it's almost like, I wonder if it's a little bit like then it's that boundary thing again. It's like, okay, I've set my own diary. I'm not a prison to someone else's schedule and I can on my own terms. And then I show up in a way that I want rather than,

Jess (14:01.483)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (14:26.22)
I have to be at my computer at three o'clock on a Wednesday. And actually I want to be in my home gym doing kettlebell swings.

Jess (14:34.145)
Well, I mean, I can't disagree with that fact. I always think about the questions I ask myself, even whether it's like a nutrition plan that feels scary because it's not the way I normally do things or a strength plan or even just a new experience or relationship or person. I always think like, you know, what can I kind of, know, can this evolve? Can I become less fixed and more growth?

Mikki Wiiliden (14:35.52)
I know that you'd love that.

Mikki Wiiliden (15:03.212)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jess (15:03.595)
by this relationship, you know what I mean? Like people are such an amazing growth opportunity for me. And believe you me, they're not all for me. But the ones that are, mean, obviously you are to me, like just in a massive growth opportunity. So I, right? So I really see people and experiences and relationships to that as like, this is massive. So somehow I need to continue to keep communicating, keep.

Mikki Wiiliden (15:19.31)
No, no, I get it, yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (15:27.393)
Yeah.

Jess (15:31.927)
questioning and hopefully in turn even if we're different because clearly, you know, we have our own things but But that but that exchange can can kind of put me into a deeper place of growth and so that is where I just think there's tremendous value and opening yourself up a little bit to Thinking about these things differently and there it's how it's amazing when you do because you do get a cortisol release

Mikki Wiiliden (15:45.708)
Yeah.

Jess (16:02.165)
and you get a serotonin uptick and things do feel better. has, I mean, certainly for our relationship, and I always say this when I'm on here, it's why we do this, but I people can feel the energy because I want people to have people in their life where you feel like when you're with them, that it's not perfect, but that there is growth. Like you can ask questions and be curious and figure things out a little bit. Like I'm as happy.

You know, I asked him, like, you like just having like, does it stress you out to see a lot in one thing? And it does, it turns out. It does stress you out to see like a lot of appointments on one. And that's good to know. I feel better about it, you know?

Mikki Wiiliden (16:35.79)
Mmm.

It does. It does. Yeah. Which is great. And do you know, it's funny about that. You know, people who allow you to grow and people who sort of keep you fixed. And I think as well, is there are people in your life who sort of come in and come out. And I've got a, my example is I've got, and this is sort of related, but not really, it's just a relationship thing. Like one of my other weekly engagements that has sort of just kicked off late last year and has become a firm favorite.

Jess (16:51.095)
Mm.

Mikki Wiiliden (17:08.69)
is Tuesday morning coffee with my friends, Nikki and Mandy. And Nikki and I, we've had a solid friendship since 2011 or something. And Mandy was also, like we were solidly friends and then she moved to Wellington and now she's back in Auckland for work. And she just reached out late last year and said, anyone around for like coffee or dinner or whatever, she's very good at that. And it just so happened that...

Jess (17:17.345)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (17:36.568)
her work, the place that she stays, gets free access to the gym. If I'm in the city to go to the gym. so now, every Tuesday, I commit to going to that gym, which is great because it's expensive. And I don't want to give it up. But I so I'm like, okay, now I'm actually using it, which is great. And we get just half hour. So we've got us. So it's a it's a very good short time period. And, you know, we get so much we all three of us say we get so much out of it. And in part, we sit there and we're like,

Jess (17:53.239)
you

Mikki Wiiliden (18:05.57)
Today we talked about the race that I did, we talked about dry fasting and its potential metabolic benefits. Super fascinating by the way.

Jess (18:13.299)
my God, dry fasting. That sounds so interesting. What the hell is that? Okay, finish the, so you get, so your conversation included dry fasting and included your race and it included probably some other, you know, X-rated things. can't talk. just kidding. I'm kidding. Maybe you went after. This is the after show.

Mikki Wiiliden (18:17.825)
It is. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (18:23.466)
Yeah, one of-

No, no, no, we don't, we don't. Well, I mean, if we did go there, I wouldn't, I wouldn't tell you about it. Well, I might actually. yeah, yeah, it might be. But also, like Mandy's like, I love how 30 minutes of YouTube enriches my life from zing zing. She now follows the one armed monkey that I've become obsessed with. my gosh, so cute. And she's like, now I'm listening to a podcast about dry fasting, you know, like these are the and isn't that great? Like you just.

Jess (18:47.767)
So yeah, the one-eyed monkey.

Jess (18:56.693)
And she listens to us too. I think you said she was one of the ones that like loves us too. I can't wait to meet her. I know. I can't wait. Yeah. good.

Mikki Wiiliden (18:58.604)
Yeah, she loves us. I know, it's so fabulous. You will love her. She is just such a people person. We'll come to San Fran and visit you. She'd be totally up for that. She loves, yeah, she loves all things adventurous.

Jess (19:12.651)
This is just very important, but one thing you said that's part of that like non-fixed thing that I think people can continue to benefit from, you know, put things on your calendar, otherwise known as a diary. Yesterday, Mickey was texting me and she put diary and I was like, what the fuck, what's that? Because in my world, diary has always been like something that I've like kept to write, you know, like deep dark emotions about myself and a diary.

Mikki Wiiliden (19:37.038)
Dear diary. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like Jess at 3pm.

Jess (19:42.315)
But it turns out in your verbiage, is actually your schedule, your calendar. So, but I think putting things into your diary, into your calendar and just having them routinely there because what it does is it's just, again, this goes back to changing the habit. I think you and I did a podcast show a few weeks back on the importance of a pen and paper.

Mikki Wiiliden (19:45.966)
Yeah, it is my schedule. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (20:10.126)
Mmm.

Jess (20:10.601)
I will add to that in order to change your habits, think from a fixed to, why can I not remember that fixed, open, what was it, growth, fixed to growth, same thing, changing that habit. It's just having that thing on the calendar, on the schedule, because you know that even whatever's happening, I'd like to see more growth in my calendar. so it really, it goes exactly back to that sort of.

Mikki Wiiliden (20:19.736)
Growth, fix your growth.

Mikki Wiiliden (20:35.8)
Yeah.

Jess (20:40.117)
I'm a yes person and I'll figure things out or I'm an automatic no and I just don't even know how I'd figure it out so I'm gonna excuse it. I think it's deeper than just a boundary. think if you want, if you sort of see that there's opportunity for growth with this person, stick them on your calendar is the point. You know what I mean? Stick them on your calendar, find ways in your life to just calendar that shouldn't even if it's not.

Mikki Wiiliden (21:00.042)
Yes. Yes.

Jess (21:08.351)
a in-person visit, it's a phone call, because I really think all y'all need to pick up your phone, it feels real good, or just this. We're lucky to do what we do, but I think it is absolutely critical to your health because we're not meant to be isolated. But just think about your calendar. When you wake up and you're looking at it, how many growth opportunities are on there? Just put them on, right?

Mikki Wiiliden (21:12.782)
Mm. Mm.

Mikki Wiiliden (21:34.754)
No, I know and and that's how my calendar feels now and maybe that's why because it's either obligation or growth and I have a few growth things which I always look forward to but do you know what? This is what I notice as I get older I make less room for like I because you know you always have the things you really want to do as well and so I know for me that you know no that's my time that I know Barry and I just hang out and chill out

Jess (21:54.583)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (22:02.412)
And I don't want to interrupt that with anything or any person. And I feel like as you get older, your less, like your friend group almost does, I've got a lot of friendly acquaintances and periphery friends and people I would call friends, but your solid weekly friends, few and like.

few, like not many people have a lot of time for them, but to your point, make time for the people that bring you joy and make you feel like you get something, not I've gotten something from that, but actually it's not like, it's not an energy suck to be around them. Yeah, that's important.

Jess (22:36.661)
Yeah, so that, mean, and you know that based upon how you feel. you know, I think, you know, and I think in that case, it's also, it's just good to ask the question, right? Like, you know, what is it about that that feels triggering? If we could remove this, would this feel better, right? So I would just encourage us all when we're immediately thinking, you know, maybe just ask real quick why.

Mikki Wiiliden (22:42.989)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (22:50.008)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (22:56.897)
Yeah, yeah.

Jess (23:06.775)
Why is it an automatic no? You know what I mean or whatever. If you are working toward having a little bit, you'll feel honestly, you will feel better. It's an exercise in health. All of these roads lead, but it is a true exercise in health and it's also a true exercise in vulnerability and a little bit of intimacy. Because I think that you, when you can have conversations like this, just simply by asking questions, just, I think there's only an upside.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:07.744)
Yeah.

Yep.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:18.478)
Mmm. Mmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:26.166)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:34.987)
I agree.

Jess (23:35.689)
it's only going to encourage you to grow.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:38.23)
Yeah. So one last thing, Jess, before we sign off. Your favourite dish, I think one of your favourite dishes, like on the food on the food front is called shrimp saganaki.

Jess (23:47.659)
is shrimp.

Jess (23:53.823)
I mean, that just sounded like amazing. Say it again.

Mikki Wiiliden (23:56.608)
It is shrimp saganaki. It is a Greek dish. It's tomatoes, it's parsley, it's olive oil, it's onions, it's shrimp, and then a little bit of like parmesan cheese on top. Like, doesn't that sound delicious?

Jess (24:05.319)
I mean, you're absolutely it's dinner time. That's not what I'm gonna have for dinner. I'm wishing that I was going to eat that because like my mouth is drawn. Literally, that's like the best thing that could happen to me right now is that dish. Maybe we can add that into the like, podcat knows how to how to elevate yourself from a

Mikki Wiiliden (24:15.231)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (24:23.54)
I know. It's so delicious.

Jess (24:33.207)
fixed to a growth mindset and how to make shrimp what? Which sounds like a dish I might get at a sushi restaurant. So I sort of like it that it's kind of had like, Greeky vibes to it, you know, not just like, but Sabunaki, I am like 200%. I can't wait till one of our podcasts is actually gonna be like a cooking episode where we're like in the kitchen together. I mean, I mean, actually, you should all know that I'm terrible in the kitchen, but.

Mikki Wiiliden (24:37.45)
Shrimp Saganaki.

Mikki Wiiliden (24:42.978)
doesn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (24:55.694)
they'll be amazing. That would be amazing.

Jess (25:02.709)
I'm great, but I'm also great in the kitchen, because I just get so excited and I love it. And we're going to make shrimp sovinaki. It's going to be amazing.

Mikki Wiiliden (25:08.724)
Equally, if we were in Greece getting served shrimp saganaki, like that would be an episode. That would be amazing.

Jess (25:12.695)
my God. I'm also right now just thinking about us in Greece. We could take our show to Greece. Special week with Mickey and Jess, Strength Renewed in Greece. Now that's like something to think about, right? Right away, like I'm like, yes. I'm like, yes, how do I make that work? Because that sounds incredible. And seriously though, people, honestly like this, the more that I think about it, I got prompted to talk about this because

Mikki Wiiliden (25:17.23)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (25:27.212)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (25:32.814)
Bye.

Jess (25:40.927)
I have a few people in my life that do this so deliciously well, you know what I mean? when I want to say this, by doing, by saying, that sounds great Jess, right? Like it allows, I feel very seen by that person. Even if what we're saying yes to changes, it's a little bit in that I feel like, I feel sort of like this is what you'd want to have.

Mikki Wiiliden (25:45.422)
Mmm.

Mikki Wiiliden (25:56.565)
Yeah, yeah.

Jess (26:08.827)
at a dinner, I feel very much like shrimp sabunaki. Like I feel like, yes, you want to eat me, see me, love me up. Like it's a nice feeling. And the same is what I continue to go back to our relationship is that I think this is a powerful place for us because other people can feel sane, because I feel sane by you. But that's what the people in my life that do that. That's what I think I'm getting from them is I'm getting an opportunity to think in a more growth minded way.

Mikki Wiiliden (26:11.923)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (26:28.45)
Yeah, amazing.

Jess (26:38.04)
And I'm also getting an opportunity to feel really seen. And that is exceptional.

Mikki Wiiliden (26:42.658)
Well, and you know, Jess, maybe what we need to do is do a Strength Renewed tour to Greece. The same way that Maria Emerich, which is where I got the recipe from, which is going to be in the show notes. I've just forwarded it through to Baz. And then we just invite a bunch of amazing people and they can come and join us on a Greek retreat. Wouldn't that be amazing?

Jess (26:50.359)
Slapping out.

Jess (27:02.049)
Mmm.

Jess (27:06.849)
Well, that's, mean, like I said, I love all of the directions, all of the openness, all of the growth that these conversations get us to. And I always have my own, you guys, my own pen and paper, my own way to kind of continue to grow and like change my habits and just sort of evolve. Because the name of the game is like evolve, be seen, communicate, ask questions. This is all really part of that.

Mikki Wiiliden (27:14.85)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (27:26.733)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (27:31.309)
Yeah.

Jess (27:34.145)
Damn, I wanna eat that meal. Why I'm feeling all these feels. All the good feels, why I'm eating all the good things. Hello. Mix, what are you grateful for today?

Mikki Wiiliden (27:35.662)
Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah. I know. What more could you want? I know. I'm really grateful that you and I had our conversation about what feels good in terms of connecting, actually. I'm really grateful for that. And I'm grateful that now my hair feels like it's a bit healthier, it'll grow a bit longer. And I'm grateful that it's only straight for one day.

Jess (28:03.511)
my gosh, I actually feel the exact same way. I'm grateful to have the conversations that we had about connecting and kind of what continues to work. Because I just think that it's the ultimate and love. It's like my true love language. You know what I mean? It's like, this works for you. Great. How do we make it work better? Because when you care about somebody and you care about a relationship, it's like you just want to keep on.

Mikki Wiiliden (28:05.187)
What are you grateful for?

Mikki Wiiliden (28:22.094)
Mmm. Mmm.

Yeah.

Jess (28:32.407)
evolving it, you want to keep on making it better. So I'm grateful for it. It also makes me think a lot about growth and fixed mindsets and how it relates to everything, frankly. And I'm super freaking excited about our Greek tour that now I'm going to be saying yes to and shrimp sabonaki because again, let's not forget I'm Jewish and most things like go back to food.

Mikki Wiiliden (28:38.99)
Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (28:46.04)
Yeah. Yes.

Mikki Wiiliden (28:55.648)
Yeah, no, I love that. I love that.

Jess (28:57.335)
So really, it's really all about my relationships, human connectivity, and what I'm going to eat in the next meal in Greece. I've never been, but I can only imagine a food tour with you would be freaking lights out. So I'm just going to put that there and kind of get excited about it. that's, mean, it's a lot to be grateful for, but that's my answer.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:03.639)
And grace. Yeah.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:11.648)
Amazing. I know. Yeah. I'm gonna get my... Yeah, and I'm gonna get our friend Mandy onto that. I told her she needs to be an event organizer. Yeah.

Jess (29:25.471)
I know, I love, I'm really, feel like I want to jump in on this next coffee date.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:30.154)
Yeah. All right Jess, you enjoy whatever you are having for dinner.

Jess (29:35.543)
Shrimp, not sabanaki. I'm gonna make shrimp though. I'm like have to eat it now to find something. I get like some crushed parsley or something. I'll do like a California, like, you know, not not grease grease meal, right? I mean, I would, nothing makes me happier than taking a picture of my food.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:37.07)
Yeah, yeah, love it. delicious, that is delicious.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:48.686)
Oh, I know, I love it. And then you should show it to me on social.

Mikki Wiiliden (29:55.947)
Alright, cheers! See you! Bye!

Jess (29:59.223)
Have a good night. Bye.