Strength Renewed

Mikki (00:02.158)
Hey, just.

Jessica (00:03.786)
Hi, Next. This is my new name for you, by the way. I like it.

Mikki (00:04.878)
how I know I like it. In fact, there are a few people that call me mix actually. And the people that do, I actually aren't really in my life anymore. Not for any particular reason, but you there are seasons and you sort of move through. I have a question. Is that a Viore hoodie?

Jessica (00:18.527)
Yeah.

True. Yes. my God, can you believe it? It's not a Viori hoodie and it's not even a Navy or a nation hoodie. I should just get off this podcast and go to bed, right?

Mikki (00:31.365)
my god, yeah. What, are you a fraud?

Jessica (00:34.541)
Is your tank top of your, have your tank top, are you wearing that?

Mikki (00:36.686)
It is and it was your Fiore tank top, which is amazing. So, um.

Jessica (00:43.603)
It's sort of speaks to our relationship, right? Like we just wanna give the shirt off of our back to each other, actually. It is amazing. And as you were saying, one thing that I love about people that are close to me in my life, know that if I do things, if you start listening to Tupac and James Taylor, then I have arrived in your soul. Okay, there's that.

Mikki (00:50.018)
Yeah.

Mikki (00:54.658)
Amazing, exactly.

Mikki (01:03.405)
Yeah.

Mikki (01:11.768)
you

Jessica (01:12.147)
And then the other thing is you get a nickname. You get a freaking nickname. So, so this is where it is. And I also plan on not being a seasonal friend. I plan on being the kind that continually stay in your life for always. And so that's, that's where I'll stand. I was thinking, I heard something Reese Witherspoon was being interviewed and she said that there are like, she was quoting from this like coach. And I thought this was so great that the real

Mikki (01:14.764)
Yes! Yeah, I love it.

Jessica (01:41.387)
key to relationships is to think about it. Like, is that person depositing? Are they making regular deposits? Right? Right? Or are they just pulling, drawing money out? Right? Just constantly, you know, they they what's the opposite of making a deposit is a withdrawal, right? Are they just withdrawing? So, so she said that the people that are depositing are nicknaming you, they're asking questions of you, they are curious about the person that you are and becoming.

Mikki (01:47.447)
Nice. Yeah.

Mikki (01:51.768)
Yeah.

Mikki (01:57.324)
Withdraw. Yeah.

Mikki (02:09.966)
Mm-hmm.

Jessica (02:10.218)
And they're just there. They're there in the ways that you need them to be. And the person that is not is clearly just constantly withdrawing, never putting a deposit in. And then she said there's this very strange group of people who just are neutral. They don't make any, they're just, they do nothing. They don't deposit, they don't withdraw. So I hope to be the friend. Yeah, I'm not even, that's a great question. Probably in my category, they would not be. I always talk about relationships, Vicki, because I think they're like,

Mikki (02:19.074)
Yeah.

Mikki (02:24.686)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki (02:29.258)
Are they friends? Are they friends?

Jessica (02:39.994)
to health. I know our plan is strength and protein, but I actually think that the way to reduce cortisol in your body is to really like find people that, you know, deposit as much as they can. So yeah, guess, yeah, maybe that category isn't really a friend, but I just more of quoting her, but I was thinking about it. Context to us.

Mikki (02:41.162)
I agree.

Mikki (02:58.166)
No, no, I love it. So I've got a couple of thoughts on this. One, first of all, I am a relationships person and I really struggle to give up relationships, even ones which don't serve me. I'm much better now as an adult than what I was when I was in my 20s. But I really hold on. I sort of go into something believing the best and even where some people in my life have proved time and again that they're

Jessica (03:10.272)
Mmm.

Mikki (03:28.046)
assholes. It's take it, it's a, a, you know, slow learner. So I'm with you, Jess, I'm a relationships person. And, and my other thought around it is that I do love that depositing thing. And I think that, well, two thoughts, actually, one, what you say is totally backed up by research, like social connections, etc. And don't we all know it, but it's the being around people who you want to make the deposits, I think that

Jessica (03:29.506)
Totally.

Jessica (03:46.722)
Hmm.

Jessica (03:56.61)
Mmm.

Mikki (03:56.812)
is also, so it's not just the people around you that are of service to you, but you want to be of service to them. Like that to me is a solid, solid relationship.

Jessica (04:08.055)
Well, that's, I think that's why this relationship works. And I think it's a medium to invite people in to talk about this stuff. you don't, unless you're saying it out loud, you actually don't know why your brain chemistry changes. I want to ask you one question about when you, like we all do, you say, in my 20s or whatever, it was hard for me to give up relationships. What was hard about that for you?

Mikki (04:17.326)
Yeah.

Mikki (04:23.693)
Yeah.

Mikki (04:35.352)
think it's probably the people pleasing aspect maybe? Like so, you know, I'm thinking of one in particular and I say in my 20s, legitimately this went on to my 40s and there will still be people that, you know, are in like, I'm sure if I thought hard enough, but I don't really think too hard about it. some two particular people or one in particular who was just a bit of a narcissist and dare I say sociopath and

Jessica (04:38.295)
Mm-hmm.

Jessica (05:03.853)
Mm-hmm.

Mikki (05:05.336)
But the whole, the people pleasing aspect of it sort of kept me in this fear mode of wanting to, not wanting to disappoint them, you know, to the point that it actually, like it was only a couple of years ago and I was just like, I'm out. that once, like part of the out was stopping following them on social media. So suddenly I was no longer exposed to

Jessica (05:22.861)
Totally.

Jessica (05:31.255)
Mmm.

Mikki (05:34.306)
the toxic nature of their posts and they weren't acting, there was bad behavior. Like it wasn't like it was directed toward me, although part of it was, it was to a number of people. Cause if you were in, you were in, but if you were out, you were so far out and boy did they let you know it. And I feel like it was almost partly due to COVID and everything that went on there that really made me evaluate.

people that added value and people that just took and just tried to, and made it almost there, it felt like the way they made me feel, I didn't love. And regardless of how they were, it was actually just about how I felt. And so it was easy to, at that moment, to sort of walk away and realize that I had other things. But also, know, Jess, probably part of it was I spent a large part of my sort of mid-twenties to mid-thirties single.

And therefore you sort of feel like you're a little bit of a lone unit out there. And so you're probably more likely to attach to people despite them showing you their character because it wasn't a safe space to come home and have that comfort that you get in a really great relationship with your partner, spouse, et cetera. I think I probably held on a bit much there too.

Jessica (06:32.003)
Hmm.

Jessica (06:53.529)
Hmm.

Mm, that's a really great answer. And I think that you're totally right. I think it's like having the spaces to unload, right? Where somebody can just kind of hear it. I think that we underestimate, I mean, I've tried to get better at it, although I know sometimes it's hard because I get excited and I talk a lot, but I've completely understood the deliciousness of active listening.

Mikki (07:07.873)
Mm.

Jessica (07:25.657)
somebody's just listening to you and not trying to talk over you or not, you know, they're just, it's just listening. You know, they're just hearing you and, and maybe not even trying to fix whatever's going on. Maybe they're just simply trying to hear it with the opportunity to think about what that means later on. But true active listening, I think is like one of the most like precious, wonderful gifts. Cause you can process things once you understand them. Otherwise you walk around kind of feeling like half of a person.

Mikki (07:25.908)
Mm. Mm.

Mikki (07:38.124)
Yeah.

Mikki (07:48.236)
Hmm.

Mikki (07:55.456)
Yeah, 100 %

Jessica (07:56.078)
You know, so I, you know, so I do think, I do think finding people and I think, you know, you know, like we met, you know, people always ask, well, how did you meet Mickey? And I was like, such a great story. had him at Mickey and I met in a business group, you know, we like, and it was, you know, it was, it's fun because you're in these groups and there's, they're obviously like-minded people, but there's always something in a room or in a group that draws you to that other human, like

Mikki (08:03.694)
Hmm.

Mikki (08:22.744)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica (08:23.748)
I want to get to know them better. You know what I mean? It may not be like best friends and here's our life plan that day, but there's something about them that is charging for you. So, you know, I think, I think we both kind of, you know, met and felt when she's a kind of a little charge that you get when you meet somebody. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki (08:34.252)
Yeah.

Mikki (08:41.43)
Yeah, yeah, like, you're cool. I like you. Yeah. And not that other people weren't, but you absolutely, it's interesting what makes you want to get to know someone better and invest. whereas other people who are perfectly lovely, you don't feel, you don't feel the same sort of, you know, that same vibe, I suppose, because it's all energy, right? Like the energy that you give off and the energy that you receive, like it's got a gel.

Jessica (08:48.036)
Yeah.

Jessica (09:04.783)
Totally.

Yes. I love it. I follow it. It's my guiding light, like a flashlight always. If it's not turned on, I can't see. So I feel that. And I also, I've always appreciated like your honesty and the way that you communicate and that kind of like, like sort of, it's hard to be, it's hard to lovingly push people, right? Continually out of their comfort zones, like hug them, like.

Mikki (09:13.344)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki (09:31.992)
Mm.

Jessica (09:35.375)
I've got you, like we're here with each other, but we're also gonna really push for growth. So I think there's something like completely powerful in that. And then just how we grew into creating Strength Renewed, which was like super exciting. And we had all of these like, you know, meetings and talks about what we thought it could be. And then we knew that there's all this incredible information, but they have to hear it from us in this relationship.

Mikki (09:38.478)
Yeah.

Mikki (09:50.487)
Yeah.

Mikki (10:03.458)
Yeah, yeah, I agree. And it's a filter. And this is the thing, like when you find people that you trust, like so there are people out there who we both know who trust our perspectives because they're informed, you know, like you have to find those voices. But also there's something about, you know,

Jessica (10:04.429)
energetically, right? means, right? It's a filter.

Mikki (10:29.324)
these two girls, know, they really like each other, they get on really well, and they're really smart. What do they have to say? Because these are the qualities I look for when I'm listening to people who I feel are mentors, you know, like, yeah, yeah.

Jessica (10:42.824)
Yes, you, you, they're, you're 100 % right. There has to be like that thing, that energy that makes me like want to get to know them better because of their stories, their backgrounds, but then the energy that they have with each other. So I think, I think that people talk about creating a podcast. It's, um, there is a little bit of, there's a lot of knowledge, but there's a little bit of magic, right? That has to happen. So it's not, although it would seem

Mikki (10:50.68)
Yeah.

Mikki (11:05.358)
100. Yeah.

Jessica (11:09.318)
like anybody can do it. It's not, it's a little like in gymnastics, like you can walk across the balance beam, but can you do a cartwheel on it? It's a little different, right? I think it's kind of, this is a little bit of cartwheeling. And so I'm so excited that we also finally have the opportunity not that long ago to go meet up in Manhattan Beach where it was just wonderful to be together in the same room and to synergize on

Mikki (11:16.398)
I love that analogy.

Mikki (11:30.861)
Yeah.

Jessica (11:37.828)
all of the two million topics that we are excited to talk about, but in a way that you can only get when you're right there, right in somebody's face and holding their hand, which we got to do when we did our photo shoot.

Mikki (11:46.668)
in person and yeah.

I know amazing. cannot wait to attach those photos to this podcast and the things that we do, because there are some fantastic, pictures. So Violetta, who did them for us, Violetta Meyer, think is her name. Anyway, we'll put a link to her, in the show notes so people can, can check her out.

Jessica (12:07.399)
Mm-hmm.

Jessica (12:11.176)
She's incredible because she definitely felt our energy. You will feel the energy through the pictures, but it did feel really, it felt like, somebody got our relationship and you can see it in a frame. It's incredible when that can happen. So we talked and talked and we ate and ate. We ate the best salads that I've ever had. by the way, it turns out that when you go with your friend, your bestie, who's a bomb ass nutritionist like yourself,

Mikki (12:14.625)
Yeah.

Mikki (12:22.72)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki (12:28.845)
Yeah.

Jessica (12:38.665)
You just actually stand behind them and let them do all the ordering. So I was so happy for Mickey. was like, what do you want? like, whatever you're having. And it was, let me tell you what Mickey was having on top of her salad was next level. greens. If you live near one, you're lucky. And you order, you do the choose your own. Yeah, not far actually, but it's better when I go with you and put everything. We should also put the recipe to a sweet green salad on this podcast too, cause that was kind of.

Mikki (12:45.729)
yeah.

Mikki (12:52.482)
Amazing. I know. Do you live near one, by the way?

Yeah.

Mikki (13:05.417)
Yeah.

Jessica (13:08.229)
exceptional. And then, and then because only the two of us would would nosh in between our, our sweet green salads on protein bars. And you introduced me to what we both came with with matching New Balances. And we also came with matching barbell protein bar, which we love. But the real home run hit that we were just kind of like completely surprised by were these protein bars called David's Protein.

Mikki (13:26.902)
Yes.

Mikki (13:36.728)
David's protein bars. And they are, these are endorsed by the biggest sort of names in podcasting, which might put some people off because, you know, the Peteratiers, the Andrew Hubermans, but they got me intrigued, Jess. And which is why I said, hey Jess, let me order these protein bars and can you just deliver them to me because we're gonna be in that in-vect. I'm just like, yeah. Amazing.

Jessica (13:39.164)
the name.

Jessica (13:58.89)
I did. I put all my cute stuff in my box of David's protein bars and took them to meet you.

Mikki (14:06.22)
And these have, so for a protein bar to have 28 grams of protein without a million calories is next level amazing. And this has 150 calories for 28 grams of protein. It's almost insane. And in addition to that, they do have alulose in it as well. So alulose.

Jessica (14:25.938)
I can't pronounce it y'all, so I'm working on my pronunciation of elulose. Did I say it right? God, okay.

Mikki (14:29.486)
Alulose, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. And they are like, so alulose and we, did a podcast actually with Dom Degustino, which is coming out in a couple of weeks, which goes into it in greater depth, but for people interested in, and Jess and I will likely bring up alulose in a lot more detail as well because of our interest in it from a, from a weight loss, GLP-1 perspective, but

It's a sweetener, it's a plant sweetener that has just really interesting physiological effects. So it lowers blood sugar. If you eat this LULOS with a source of carbohydrate, it lowers your blood sugar as opposed to raises it. It lowers your insulin. It impacts favorably on the gut microbiome. It keeps you fuller for longer. Like there are so many interesting aspects of it and...

and it's all put in a tasty bar. A David bar.

Jessica (15:29.611)
I mean, I know you're probably thinking, oh my God, these chicks like love each other. And just so you know, folks, in 15 minutes, we talked about how you should pick a friend, the importance of investing, like depositing and withdrawing. We talked about how excited we are to finally be launching Strength for a Nude into 2025, because I honestly think that you will benefit immensely. I have. Just in all the talks that I've had with Mickey in preparing you.

Mikki (15:39.661)
Yeah.

Mikki (15:54.604)
Yeah, 100.

Jessica (15:59.061)
for this, you will leave a more evolved person for many, many ways. I talked about how much I freaking love my friendship with Mix and I'm not seasonal. I'll be around forever. She is, she is too. She's gonna give me a nickname. I'm just Jess. I'm fierce Jess. I'm too talkative Jess.

Mikki (16:04.354)
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Mikki (16:16.244)
no way. It's not interesting. So what is funny, then people would, you'll see some pictures and you will see Jess and go, wow, so fierce. Because that's what I got. And I did not know this about Jess because you are the least fierce person. But you told me this is how you see yourself.

Jessica (16:34.028)
Which is a whole nother podcast because I always think it's interesting the way we see ourselves and then how somebody else sees me and so then I asked you I'm like, well, how do you see me? If not fierce just curiosity what how does how does Mickey see Jack? How do see me?

Mikki (16:43.042)
Yeah.

Mikki (16:46.56)
like one of the kindest, giving, sensitive, caring, vulnerable people I've ever met. Who's also hilarious as well, like all of it, all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jessica (16:54.143)
Hmm, freaking, thank God you put that in there. Cause I actually think I'm funny though. I love that, thank you. Well, that's just fucking wonderful. We'll just add fierce. We'll add a hashtag at the end of our thing. Fierce, making you just fierce. These pictures will definitely, they will prove it, but I love mediums, right? I love the art of expression, so I think it's fantastic.

Mikki (17:09.014)
Yeah, fierce. Yeah, I love it.

Mikki (17:16.438)
Yeah, you do. Yeah.

Jessica (17:20.244)
We ate ourselves silly. It's so much fun to deep dive into protein because it's great to geek out on it. And I really am pretty obsessed with this new protein bar. I must tell you, I love anything that literally kind of mimics a little GLB-1 in the body and just kind of can potentially have some nice physiological effects. Who the hell knows, right? Like it's good to introduce your body to things that have a shit ton of protein that also are not heavy calorie laden.

Mikki (17:38.798)
100 %

Jessica (17:47.167)
and just make you feel a little bit more empowered in your day to day, which quite frankly, it's not just the power bar, but that's kind of like our mission statement. Like we wanna give you these little pearls in your life so that you feel a little bit more empowered. But I will 100 % say that I'm empowered by strength work. I'm empowered by my nutrition plan, but I'm mostly empowered by the friendship I have with you. Quite frankly, you have been a gift. I'm so grateful several years ago that we met.

Mikki (17:54.776)
Yeah.

Mikki (18:11.342)
aww

Jessica (18:17.704)
and legacy and this great business meeting. you know, it was it like, you know, anything superseded my expectations to have a relationship like you in my life. And, you know, I wish this for everybody. I wish everybody could have a Mickey on their team because they will grow and they will be challenged and they will be loved up. And it's a beautiful thing. So I'm really happy for us.

Mikki (18:40.206)
And Jess, all of that, like you say that, you you want people to have a Mickey on their team, but the reality is this is what this podcast does. It actually puts Mickey and Jess in people's team, right? And, and I'm super excited for some of these plans that we've got based around the topics that we love, which of course all in amongst it, we'll get back to sharing our knowledge and stuff around all the things that we love talking about as well, of course, but.

Jessica (18:48.053)
and

Mikki (19:07.584)
It all comes as a package and so I'm super excited to sort of plan that out as well.

Jessica (19:12.077)
You know, you guys, please, you know, like enjoy this journey with us, strength renewed, but really it's just, I hope that you enjoy it, because I certainly have already enjoyed it. And let us know if you think the pictures make us look fierce. I think you do. I think you totally look fierce. You know why you look fierce? Because it's out of your comfort zone. It's something different for you. And I think there's a fierceness high.

Mikki (19:19.64)
Yeah.

Mikki (19:28.096)
Yes, well I don't look fierce. I look...

Jessica (19:39.955)
in doing things that put you in uncomfortable places. Because with that, we become fiercer.

Mikki (19:46.892)
I think you could be right. I reserve judgment. I reserve judgment and then I'll practice my actual fierce face for next time we do it.

Jessica (19:49.258)
No!

Jessica (19:57.486)
Well, you can just keep practicing your bicep curls and your pull ups and I think we'll be, know, pierced as fuck. I'm working, just before we go, how many have you gotten to?

Mikki (20:05.794)
There you go.

Mikki (20:09.902)
Oh, I'm at 192 for January.

Jessica (20:14.859)
shit, okay, you're doing it like that. How many, okay, so it's like your goal is to get to how many by the end of the month.

Mikki (20:17.143)
Yeah.

Mikki (20:21.582)
Oh, by the end of the year 2025, 2000, 2025. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. Amazing. I'd love it. Yeah.

Jessica (20:27.325)
that's amazing. God, I love this. Can I jump in on this? Can I do it? Okay. So this I'm going to do this. So so I can do this. So I'm going to be part of the 2025. So I just like load my pull ups each day that I do them just stick them down whatever I've done and add it to this freaking list. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikki (20:40.526)
Yep. Yep. And for each day, if you were to start on January the first, you'd need 5.6, 5.6 pull ups a day.

Jessica (20:51.854)
this is good, you guys. We all need to make note of this. I'm gonna have to do a little bit of catching up because we're like, that's okay. Story of my life, but I'm here for it.

Mikki (20:57.742)
Doubling up, yeah. as, totally. And just so know, Ashley Borden also doing the same thing.

Jessica (21:06.733)
Oh, I love it. Great. Ashley, here. We're here. We're all together on this team. Then good. perfect. This is good. Okay, you all. now you got it. got it. can you can you too can be you can get the protein bars and you can do your 5.6 pull ups every day. And yes, it doesn't matter your hand position, right? You can bring them in, you can bring them out. Okay. Okay. Neutral grip it, whatever, whatever it takes. We'll put the link to these.

Mikki (21:07.552)
I know, I know, yeah. Yeah, I love it too.

Yeah, amazing.

Mikki (21:22.349)
Yeah.

Totally, yeah, you can neutral grip it, whatever is easiest. Yeah.

Jessica (21:33.795)
We'll put a link to the to bars because I do think you might want to get a head start even as we launch our podcast, you may want to buy a box of these bars. When you're sitting down with your sparkling water listening to our podcast, I think it seems like a great idea.

Mikki (21:41.07)
I totally agree.

Mikki (21:47.926)
I agree. Lovely, Jess. Will you have a great night? Yay. See ya.

Jessica (21:51.042)
You too. Bye-bye.